235. Jerry A (Poison Idea) & Paul Bearer (Sheer Terror)

This week on the pod I'm joined by Jerry A of Poison Idea and Paul Bearer of Sheer Terror. I try to stay out of the way and just let two legends break bread for about an hour and a half. 
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Transcript

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What's up, everyone? Before we get into it today, I wanted to address that Lou from Sick of It All has come out saying that he has cancer. There's a GoFundMe set up, so handle business. You can go to Sick of It All NYC on Instagram, and there's a link there to donate. Anyone that listens to this podcast knows how much we love that band, especially how important they were to us and our love of hardcore in the 1990s. We're all thinking good thoughts for Lou. As well as other hardcore legends out there like Al from SSD who's going through it too. I just want to say I'm a believer that hardcore has to always be a youth movement. And youth should be the driving force in what directions that hardcore goes. I think it's fine to be a kid who just likes music and likes going to shows and dancing and having fun or whatever. But there is more to this thing, and if you decide to stick around and have punk and hardcore become a significant part of your life or of you as a person, I think that getting into the history and understanding the building blocks of this thing will only connect you even more to the music and make you love it even more. So getting on with it, this week on the pod, I'm joined by two legends, Jerry A. from Poison Idea and Paul Bearer of Sheer Terror. I do my best to play my new Jack role at age 44 and basically just shut the fuck up and let these two dudes break bread. Jerry A, he wrote a three-piece autobiography in which he really bears his soul and talks about his early days of serious abuse and then goes into the whole history of Poison Idea. It's a must read for punk fans. Also, TKO Records is re-releasing the whole Poison Idea catalog, so you got to check that out. And we got to give a huge shout out to Mark from TKO for setting this whole thing up. So thanks, Mark. What's up? Send him your money, you know. Well, first, you got to smash that 185 Mile South Patreon button. If you got anything left, send Mark your money. Get that Poison Idea catalog because let's be real, dude. Your record collection is straight up bunk if you have no Poison Idea records. You know what I'm saying? Okay, and then lastly, Blackout Records has re-released a bunch of Sheer Terror records, including their first LP, Just Can't Hate Enough. That thing's been out of press for almost a decade now, I think. And then before that press that they did in 2015 or 2016, it was out of press for like 20 years. So you're going to want to grab that and get what else they got up in there and really support the people that support this podcast. It's much appreciated. We love you all. Let's get on with the pod. 185milesouth.com smash that

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All

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right, everyone. This week on the pod, I have Jerry A. from Poison Idea and Paul Bearer from Sheer Terror. What's up, dudes? There he is. There's Paul.

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What's going on? Look at that guy. Look at him.

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This is great because on episode 232, I was just shooting the shit and I was like, you know, what if I was able to get like Jerry and Paul bear together and just have them shoot the shit. You know what I mean? And then, uh, Mark from TKO reached out. He's like, Hey, I know both of them. You want me to make it happen? And, uh, we made it happen. So it's a one 85 miracle. Much respect guys. Thanks so much.

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Yeah.

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In a perfect world, we would actually be doing a, uh, new version of The Odd Couple. We'd be living together and have cameras around the house. Oh, God. The

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two

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grown men share an apartment without driving each other crazy.

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Who's Oscar? Who's Felix? That's the thing. I don't

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know. Oh, obviously you're Felix, of course. Oh, okay.

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I do like

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copper. Jerry, before we jump in on all this, my favorite interview in the history of hardcore podcasting was one of the times that you were on Damien's show, and you told the shark bait story. Can you tell that for my listeners?

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Yeah. I was in Australia, and I was– on a big festival package with a bunch of bands. It was like Iggy and Sonic Youth and Mudhoney, Carter, the Unstoppable Sex Machine. That was the highlight. Bad Seeds, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. And I was singing with the Hard Ons. So the whole time we were down there, I was completely blottoed out of my head, fucked up completely. And we were on this junket, this ferry that's going out in the Sydney Bay. And, uh, I saw Mick Harvey and, uh, I'm bad at doing this. I mean, I've tried to get Paul to do it for me before. I see Paul's playing with somebody and I'm like, Hey, can I send you some records and get this guy's autograph? And Paul's like, no, leave him alone. Don't fucking bother this guy. But I do it because I'm a fan. So I see these, I saw Mick Harvey and I'm like, Oh fuck, I'm drunk. And I'm like, he could, because I was a big birthday party fan for when I was a kid and I've still kind of like him in a way. And, uh, I went up to him in a bar and I was like, hey, I'm going to just waste it. And I'm like, dude, I love that. I'm talking to him. There's all this shit on and on. And the guy, he's not saying a word. And he just looks over at me and he goes, mate, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Like that. I go, he's like, I don't know. He's like, I'm not Mick Harvey. Right? And it was. He's just being, and it just, I just, you can see me just shrink. You know, I just shrunk down to like a mouse. And I went over and, you know, with a tear in my eye and All my guys, they're like, what's wrong? And I go, that guy just told the fat girl at the– and so these guys were like, let's throw him over the edge. Let's wait until he goes out on the deck and throw him in the harbor. So we were kind of following him around. We were kind of following him around, waiting for him to– but he knew something was up. He could sense it in the air. I tried to do that once with the guy from– Red Hot Chili Peppers, his dad was in a germ show when the germs got back together. The guy, Blackie, whatever his name is, Blackie, not Blackie, what's his fucking, Kiedis, Blackie Kiedis, I think. Yeah. He was like this really schmoozy, smarmy, you know, guy and And me and these guys, let's throw him over the balcony. Let's just go behind him and grab him and throw him over the balcony. We actually grabbed him by the legs. And he's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? We're like, oh, and we couldn't do it. In theory, it sounded funny. In your mind, everything's like a cartoon. You're going to throw this guy. But when it comes down to reality, it didn't work. But Paul, remember me? Remember me asking you that? You were playing with somebody. I'm not going to say who it was, even though he's passed away now. And you were opening for some performer. And you were like– I was like, if I sent you my sleeves to these records, would you have them signed? And you were like, no, just leave them alone. Some people don't like to be bothered.

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It's probably me because I'm too lazy to go to the post office to send them back to you. That's

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what it was.

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Well, Paul, I've seen you do those shows. You're used to doing them with the Clash tribute things and stuff like that. Do you ever bring records to have people sign them?

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Nah, I'm not really an autographed kind of guy. I have maybe a couple. But as an autographed record, not that I can even really think of. I found two autographed Slade LPs in a used bin like 30-some odd years ago. Wow. But as to bring records to get signed, probably one of my prized possessions is one of my favorite artists is William Kennedy from Albany. And he wrote Ironweed. He's well-known, but I think he won the Pulitzer for that, if I'm not mistaken. And he's still alive. I think he's still alive. I think so. I'm not sure. But this was like over 20 years, 30 years ago, whatever the fuck it was. He's still living up in Albany. And a buddy of mine up there, His whole family, they're all cops and all this and blah, blah, blah. And he switched to happen to know William Kennedy or something like that. I forget how it worked out. And I wrote on one of the last year's, not the last year's, but the one that we did, the Love Souls record, it was all called For Rudy the Crowd, which was based on Rudy the Cootie, which was a character in Iron Week. a drunken bum who liked to run around singing and act like a nut. And his sister actually went... No, no, no, wait. She was my buddy. My buddy to the team, I'm sorry. And he went and met William Kennedy. He played William Kennedy the song and got him an autographed book for me, a copy of Ironweed, where he's like... I forget exactly what it's like... Thanks for writing about Rudy the Cootie, who knew what the Milky Way was. Good luck to you and the other sheer terrorists, blah, blah, blah. William Kennedy. So that's kind of fucking cool.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's still alive. He's still alive.

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Yeah, so that's probably one of my prize possessions there. But other than autographs, I have this giant, actually, toot, toot. Next week, we're bringing the out case over from Ireland. And me and my buddy, the benefactor Chip, who runs the Monarch, the Brooklyn Monarch Club in Brooklyn. That's one of a couple other venues. We're bringing the Alkazel for their first show ever in New York City. And I have this giant poster, promo poster that I got on eBay some years back. I don't remember. It's fucking huge. And it's a promo poster for the Blood and Thunder LP. That was on New Rose out of France. And I'm a fucking nerd. That's why I remember all this shit. And it's big. So I'm going to have the two brothers, the Callum brothers, I'm going to have them autograph that for me. And then I'm going to frame it. I got so much shit I got to frame. I'm out of my fucking mind.

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You could just donate all that stuff to the Punk Rock Museum. Yeah,

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sure, whatever. You know what? I offered to donate my black leather jockstrap with the spikes.

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Yeah.

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And I never heard back from

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them. They thought it

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would start a riot. Yeah. Whatever. I mean, I hope everybody makes a million dollars. But, you know, all those people, whatever. I mean, you know, that guy, what's his name? The Mike guy. Yeah. The NoFX guy, whatever. Yeah, yeah. He kind of gave me the high hat the last time I saw him. And meanwhile, the time before that, we were doing fucking coke till fucking 5 o'clock in the morning. So, whatever.

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Yeah, well, he knows you're holding something over his head, and he's like, pretends like it never happened.

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Yeah, I guess. But it's like, what am I going to go around telling people? Like, he doesn't even know. Like, you know? What's that going to get me? You know what I mean?

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Yeah, whatever.

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All these people, they think they're very important. And hey, maybe they are, but not in my world.

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Inquiring minds want to know. Yeah, people are fucking weird. They like to

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reinvent themselves.

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I mean, that is a whole strange class of punk, right? Bands that blew up and for 30 plus years, they've kind of existed behind a barrier and in backstages and stuff. That is a strange thing, right? Like, no effects? Yeah, like, no effects. Like, I don't know how much connection they have to, like, actual normal-ass people. Where, like, you know, Paul, you're still playing shows where, like, if someone was actually upset, they could, like, make an attempt to grab you off the stage.

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Yeah. Yeah, they could. They could. And I've invited it. You know, I've heard people, you know, I'm going to do this. I'm like, all right, well, I'll tell you what. I'll put you on the guest list plus one because you're going to need a friend to take you home later. Okay? It's like, I'm not hard to find. Come get me if you're so inclined. They never do. You know? And it's like, whatever. I mean, I, you know, I was talking about this before. It's like, with a friend of mine, it's like another world these days with what's going on. I mean, the kids that are coming around now, I can't relate to them and I'm not going to try because that'd just be creepy. You know, it's like I do what I do. They're more than welcome to come and hang out and see the show. Don't get me wrong. I'm not going to go out of my way to alienate them, but I'm not trying to I'm not going to target them as potential merch sales either.

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No, no. It's like if you see a kid in an Outkast shirt, like what do you gatekeeper?

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Yeah, it's cool. That's great. You know.

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Yeah.

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But it's like with the newer bands and stuff like that, hey, they're doing good. The kids are having fun. Like, you know, let them. I mean, who am I to say that, you know, just because I don't like it. It's not meant for me.

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Right. Yeah. You know what? There's... there was some guy right about an hour ago I was talking to, and he was, they're doing a show in Portland, like a, like a museum thing, like a, like a real museum thing with like punk from 77 to 83. And he was like going, well, we're, you know, the people who aren't dead, we're going to send out these invites to all these people. And I go, you know what? You should, you should invite some new people to like, look at the young kids who are doing the shit today. I mean, they're, they know they weren't part of it, but I'm sure it had something to do with them. being where they are today, you know?

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Yeah. Sure. They didn't, you know, at least enjoy it, you know, and maybe some of them, maybe some of them, you know, feel justified for doing what they're doing and perhaps even making the life is out of some of these people, you know what I mean? It's like, you know, I mean, you gotta get, you gotta be nuts to stick around with this crap anyway. And, you know, God knows I got mental problems.

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Well, maybe the kids can see and go see. It would be like a lesson. They'll see this and go, fuck that. I'm getting out of it right now. I

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don't want to do this. They do. They spot a lot of them do. Because once they start getting careers, now kids are like, I'm out of this. And then they go back and they have their fond memories and stuff like that. Whereas, like, you know, say me and you, we're stuck with this shit. I mean, it's like, you know, you think about, yeah, I'm just going to take it easy. I'm going to do it at last, you know. You get tired of that real fast.

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The last refuge of a

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scoundrel.

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Oh, definitely. That is that.

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That's right. Jerry, what was the first punk band that you fell in love with?

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Honestly, probably the Sex Pistols. Because it was just, you know, yeah. So, you know, it was like the thing that was available. And I was a kid in junior high and it just hearing them, you know, I got that record when it came out around Christmas time and I was however old and like at a Sears and I'm listening to it with, you know, bodies and that kind of stuff. It just blew my mind. I've heard, you know, Lenny Bruce or whoever people say, Fuck and stuff like that. But that the music to back it up, it was just like, wow, this is, you know, crazy. This was, yeah, it was definitely the pistols in the Ramones, the stuff that was accessible to people at Kmart or whatever, you know? And then, and then I did the deep dive and got into the Portland stuff and like the wipers, shit like that.

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Yeah. How about, how about you, Paul? Definitely the pistols. Because I just thought it was crazy, you know, Sid Vicious killing his girlfriend and all that shit. I thought that was nuts. You know, I mean, when I was a kid, I was like, you know, Cheap Trick and Alice Cooper. I still like early Cheap Trick and I love Alice Cooper. I was into Kiss and everything like that because I was a kid. But then when the punk rock thing happened, that shit just didn't stand a chance. I mean, these people are killing themselves, killing each other. And so I was like, this is nuts. And everybody hated them. And I was like, I got to find out what this is about. So it was definitely the pistols and the plasmatics. They were just fun. They were crazy. Blown up cars and chainsaws and flopping around with their tits and everything. I mean, that was fun. I mean, that was good. I liked them a lot.

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Paul, you went to that show with the Pure, right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Wow.

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Yeah, that was one of the first ones. One of the first shows I went to, actually.

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Paul, tell us about it. Break it down for

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us. I don't remember. I mean, it was a great show. I mean, I went with basically myself, really, and a couple of older guys that I knew. And then I met or whatever, but I didn't really know them or whatever because nobody I went to school with or anything like that went to any of that shit. And I took the train into the city and found my way down there. There you go. I mean, I did that a lot when I was a kid. I went by myself a lot because, you know, in school I had a couple of friends here and there, but they weren't into punk or shit like that. And not until like a little bit later or whatever. So I would just take the train and go in and find my way around. You know, I found CBGB's by accident. You know what I mean? The first time I remember I took the train to the city had to be around 1980, late 80, 81, early 81. Yeah, it had to be around early 81. And I got on the train. I was over the Yankees at the time. Got on the train. And I just knew I had to go downtown. So I went downtown. Fucking Wall Street. I get out. I'm like, okay, this can't be it. So I just started wandering around like a maniac. Like this weird fucking punk rock kid. And then I was like, oh, okay, let me start walking uptown more. And I start walking up Broadway. And I'm like, okay, I'm on Broadway. And I'm like, but this ain't the Broadway I see on the TV. So I'm passing Canal Street and shit like that. And then I get to Bleecker Street. I'm like, oh, Bleecker Street. We got Bob's, this, that, blah, blah, blah. All this crap, which I had been to before, but that was on the west side. But then I happened to look east on Bleecker, and I saw the fucking awning. I walked down Bleecker a little bit, and I saw the awning to CBGB. I was like, there it is. All right, great. I wonder where this is. And then I just started walking further east and walking around and finding different stores because I remember hearing the addresses or the names. And, you know, that's how I got really, you know, my bearings, just like by wandering around like a little fucking freak. And it was fun. It was fun, honestly. In

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New York, the people you could walk around and see, you know, Cheetah Chrome walking around on the street and people

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like that. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You see these people. If I'm saying Mark's place and boom, everybody was walking around or hanging out or whatever. And, you know, it was kind of cool. It was kind of cool. I was still very, you know, shy and antisocial. So it wasn't like, you know, walking around making friends. Can I have your

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autograph?

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Yeah. Yeah. And I'm seeing other people who I later became friends or friendly with later on and seeing other kids like me or whatever. But when I first saw him, I just figured, okay, there's other people like me. But I didn't feel a bond enough that I was going to go and introduce myself and go hang out. I was still like, all right. I know that they're there and I'm here and something's got to be going on that we both like. And yeah, it was very antisocial when I was a kid. I had horrible skin. Everybody hated me in school. I had a good family life. I can't complain about that. But I had kids wanting to fight me. I had kids' parents wanting to fight me. And I just didn't like anybody. So I was like that for a long time. Very long time. Still am sometimes.

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A lot of songwriting material there.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. God, there was so many horrible ones. I burned so much shit. I did that a couple of years ago. I had tons of shit that I wrote over the years. I never did not to win. And when I moved up here to upstate, I got a burn barrel outside by the garage. I just threw them on the burn barrel, set them on fire.

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Oh, man. Punk rock museum.

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I'll send him the issues.

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Who, who were the, who were the first punk lyricists that you guys connected with? Cause you guys are two of the best hardcore lyricists in the history of the genre. You know, you talk about the first punk bands you get into, but how about like the actual lyricists that you connect with?

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Well, me, I actually tried to emulate Darby Crash. I'll admit it that I tried to rip off his whole style. I got a thesaurus and a dictionary. Well, because first of all, I had to look at what he was singing about. I listened to that record when it came out when I was a kid, and I didn't understand any of it. And I had to read what he was, you know, look up these big words. And it wasn't like, you know... beat on the brat. It was a little, you know, it was way beyond that. So then I was like, wow, this is pretty deep. And then of course, like slash magazine and stuff just praised him about, you know, how cool it was. And then, then when we started playing, I was like, yeah, I got it. I guess that's, you know, I don't want to, again, I don't want to do like beat on the brat or, you know, whatever, or, you know, so yeah, I just, I copped his style and it was, you know, it was, took you down a road. It was, it's a good stuff. He's, he's probably the best lyricist. I think still, you know, there, there's some, there's, there's other, you know, like Shane McGowan and people like that, that are great storytellers. And, but he's not really a punk, I guess, or he was at one time, but shit like that. And there's, there's a lot, there's a lot of, I don't know. And, and punk rock, there's, you know, Paul's a great lyricist. Paul's a really poetic, like, like Shane, people like that, but there's not a lot of really good, you know, it's not, not very deep. I mean, the energy and the feelings there, that makes up for it. You don't really need a lot of heartfelt lyrics when the music's going that fast. Plus, he gets lost. But, yeah, I'm myself Darby.

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Yeah, I don't... I mean... I was first attracted by the energy and everything of the music and stuff like that and the anger. And... Even the violence, honestly. But lyrically, I mean, there were certain songs that I dug, but I didn't really start paying attention until a little bit later on. I mean, like, you know, when I started, like, you know, writing myself. And I would have to, honestly, one of my favorite lyricists, probably Elvis Costello.

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He's great.

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I think he's, I think he's fantastic. Yeah. Um, Tom waits. Uh, and then I just started finding people by accident here and there. And, um, like, uh, uh, God fucking, uh, Vic Goddard from the subway sect with the, what's the matter boy record. Uh, the lyrics of that record, I think it is transcendental, honestly. And, um, Yeah, I just, I didn't really, like I said, I like the energy and stuff like that first. Then when I started, I guess when I had my heart broken for the first time, that's when I really started paying attention more to like lyrics and then, yeah, going off, dropping off the cliff and diving and swimming around in somebody else's misery and looking for my own life raft.

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You know? Yeah, makes good lyrics.

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I did a lot of that. Jesus fucking Christ.

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It's too bad that a lot of stuff you can't... With the music, when people are... Some of the really aggressive, fast stuff is like... So the music... It's so overwhelming, just a barrage of fucking energy, and people are pissed off, and they're screaming, and you kind of get the jest of it. You know they're mad about something.

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Yeah, but you don't know what.

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But it's there. It's like a wall of power.

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Yeah, no, it's exactly. I mean, it wasn't until later that I really started to appreciate Joe's drama, his lyrics and stuff like that. And, um, Oh, Jesus fucking Christ. I can't even remember. Oh, uh, Chris Bailey from the saints. Oh yeah. Amazing fucking lyrics, especially. And you know, I like probably my, um, uh, you tell me yours is great album, but, uh, prehistoric sounds is probably my favorite album. The third album. I love that fucking album.

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Yeah. You know, it's, it's, it's funny. I remember reading like a, uh, like an NME or something, uh, Because I remember I was going out with this girl. I was like 15 when Joy Division was around. And I remember when the guy committed suicide, when it happened. And I had that first record and I was into the lyrics. But I remember there was like an NME once and they said something that was kind of funny. And they were laughing about some band. They were laughing about some band. It was like... about the lyrics and they said, well, we're not like, you know, and they, and they quoted somebody and I can't remember. And I was like, well, that's kind of snotty of them to say that. And it was like, you know, it's like, well, we're not deep, like, you know, like a fucking, the unwanted or somebody like, or the cocky rejects, the cocky rejects or something like that. That's kind of snotty, but still it's kind of, yeah. If you're going to, if you're going to write these books, you know, there are these things that are going to be around forever. You know, maybe on your tombstone someday, you should, you know, make him make every word, make every word is like as powerful as possible. You don't have to try. You

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know, yeah. I love Joy Division. You know, but there was already his wife spoke there. I realized he was a jerk. I never read that. Oh, it's really good. He was a fucking asshole. He really was. You know, Mr. Depressed and this, that. He's fucking around with his other broadies with the wife and kid at home. He was an attention whore. He was, yeah, he was kind of a dick.

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Yeah. He was so young. It doesn't make sense.

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You read it, you're like, oh, now some of these lyrics are kind of making sense to you.

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You know? Yeah. But, I mean, he was so young.

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Yeah, no, exactly. Exactly. He was young. Don't get me wrong. I was a fucking raging asshole when I was a

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teenager. Oh, yeah. I was a raging asshole when I was an adult.

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Yeah. Don't get here. Yeah.

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It's crazy. It's crazy. Those people, all those like, you know, fucking even Sid Vicious or whoever. They were such young, you know. Yeah,

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no, exactly. You see, like, all these pictures now. I see them. When I saw them back in the day, you know, when I was a kid, I'm like, ah, look at these guys. They're crazy. Look at this shit. Look at this guy. I look at them now. I'm like, Jesus Christ. They're a bunch of kids. Yeah. Babies. It's fucking, it's, it's wild. It's really like, you know, the, the, the, you know, the early English punk scene and stuff where I, I'm a, I'm a fucking Anglophile. I'm not going to fucking hide it. I don't, I prefer a lot of the English shit anyway. I always did. And, um, I'm looking at some of these old pictures, like, it was something like, you know, because you'd think it was a youth movement, you know? And you see all these pictures, like, you know, back when I was a kid, seeing all these pictures of, like, these big group of skinheads walking down the street, and you're like, oh, man, that badass, look at these guys, they'll kick somebody's ass, blah, blah, blah. You look at it now, you're like, holy shit, they're all a bunch of fucking teenagers, look at these guys. Who are they going to beat up?

SPEAKER_02: 30:23

Other kids. Yeah, exactly. Paul, you always liked all the Irish stuff. I remember talking to you before about that. Like the outcasts. Oh,

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the outcasts. I love the outcasts. I did that. One of my first girlfriends, actually. Girlfriend, if you want to call her that. The first girl to break my heart with a heroin overdose. She turned me on to them, really. I mean, I had the... I already had the Blood and Thunder record, I think. I don't remember. And I had a couple of sound issues, but she turned me on to the first album, which was impossible to find. And she turned me on to that, and I was like, oh my, that record is just so... I mean, I love the undertones.

SPEAKER_02: 31:12

You know?

SPEAKER_04: 31:14

Yeah, exactly. And the undertones were fucking, they were great. And the outcasts, and it's just like a trip. You see, like, these young kids, and they're writing these freaking, like, you know, really, like, poppy type, like, love songs. And meanwhile, they got, like, bombs going off outside their houses and shit, you know?

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Yeah.

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They got a holy war going on down the block, and this kid's writing. This pimply kid's writing about some girl.

SPEAKER_02: 31:46

Yeah, and then the class go over there and use it for a photo op to dress up in their combat fatigues and look like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the difference between Irish and English punk rock. It was right there. Yeah,

SPEAKER_04: 31:58

the pictures. I just love all the old pictures of some of these punk bands. They were all in the oil base, whatever, like hanging out in a junkyard, like sitting on a pile of old used tires and shit. Like, this is where we hang. This is where we're– you normally find us going to scrap heap.

SPEAKER_02: 32:20

Well, that's what I always thought about. That's what I always thought about the– New York when I was a kid and I'd see pictures of like when the, you know, all the Lower East Side shit started with the buildings and stuff. You know, you'd hear stories about those buildings with, you know, people stick their arm through a hole in the wall. People, somebody would shoot them up on the other side and all this kind of shit. You're like, whoa, that's, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 32:39

Yeah, it was like that at one point in time. I mean, you know, down there in Lower East Side, yeah, it was a shithole. You know, by the time we were going down there in the early 80s and everything. like 81, 82 and shit like that. I mean, there were brick graveyards all over the place, just buildings torn down or empty buildings full of whoever junkies or, or, or whoever, you know, punk rock kids or whatever that all was. And I, I just never found any attraction to that. Like I had, I grew up peaceful working class. I had a good family. We didn't have much, but we loved each other. Thank God. And, um, If I didn't have my own bed, I had a couch to sleep on or something like that. My mom was a good cook. So living in an abandoned building just because I can hang out with these other jerk-offs just never really had any attraction to me.

SPEAKER_02: 33:30

Yeah. Well, I always felt myself because I grew up kind of lower class too. People who grow up in shit don't worship it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 33:43

Yeah.

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You know, you want to better yourself and fucking make, you know, I don't want to stay there. I don't want to stay in this place.

SPEAKER_04: 33:50

Exactly. And it's like some of them, like, you know, some of the people, like, you know, didn't have a choice. They had, you know, a really big, you know, home life back with their families like that. And they ran away. And this is what

SPEAKER_02: 34:01

they had. You're not going to get a job when you're 14. You know, you're not going to

SPEAKER_04: 34:04

get a job. And I can understand that. But a lot of people were just doing it because it was a thing to do. Right. You know, and I just never saw that as a thing that I wanted to do. I said, no, thank you. I don't need this.

SPEAKER_02: 34:17

Hey, Paul, did Fathead Suburbia play at A7?

SPEAKER_04: 34:20

Yeah, we played the A7, the actual A7 once. That was our first show. That was in July. I think July 6th or something like that in 82. And then about a month or so later, we played at the A7 Addicts 2 plus 2, which felt that that building collapsed. We played there. And we played there. That was, yeah, but a month or two later, the night that, I don't know, somebody, there was some fucking rumor that the Dead Kennedys just happened to be in town. Whether or not they were, I have no idea. But it wasn't that they were in town. They were going to come by the club and do a surprise show. Well, five o'clock in the morning, they never did.

SPEAKER_02: 35:06

I love those kind of rumors. I've been to so many parties. Like, the Stray Cats party, you know? Yeah. Like, nope, that never happens. Exactly. Oh,

SPEAKER_04: 35:14

they're in town. That's great. What are they doing? Are they going to the deli?

SPEAKER_02: 35:20

Playing a closet. They're going to go to our little punk club.

SPEAKER_04: 35:23

Ball game? What are they doing in

SPEAKER_01: 35:27

town? Jerry, when was the first time you went to New York and what was your experience?

SPEAKER_02: 35:32

The first time I think is when we, well, no, that was when we went to the tour we did in the 90s. it was 89 or 90. We see, we didn't tour. We, you know, we were here in Portland and we had everything we needed and bands would come up and down the coast. So we would have tons of shows here and decent, nice little decent scene. And, uh, we'd go to LA or Seattle or Vancouver, but, um, little, little teeny tours, but we never went East. There was no reason to go over there. So, um, First time we did, we played like, what was it called? That place, ABC No Rio and the Pyramid Club. And I like the Pyramid Club. That was really great. I blew fire and blew a fireball and it caught the ceiling on fire. And I remember it was way before the Great White thing, but it was like this long club with one exit entrance at the very front. And the fucking, it was packed and there was all this confetti and, and, you know, gel light gels and shit on the ceiling and, and cobwebs and stuff. And the fire hit it. And just, it was the picture that, that Chris Bowers took for the field of darkness, that one with the fire. and man and people were just like i remember people like taking off their shirts and trying to put the fire out and throw people throwing their drinks on it and and i was just really loaded and i was just watching the fire spread on the ceiling and i was like wow this looks great you know and uh yeah they put it out but and then we came back a couple years later and play cvs and and um i remember tom big champion was that he was the one he was the one that turned me on to sure terror he really really liked sure terror a lot he and so i remember when paul came and visited us at the cb show tom was just like really blown away he was like this is i was his high point for that trip i remember yeah i

SPEAKER_04: 37:34

was gonna get the shows with the first tour i was out of town when you guys played new york but we played with you guys in boston on that tour

SPEAKER_02: 37:42

yeah yeah that was at the rat

SPEAKER_04: 37:44

Yeah, we played with you guys up there. Then I was out of town. I missed the New York shows and everything. But then I saw you at the Sydney show. Yeah, that was a good show. It was fucking hot as balls.

SPEAKER_02: 37:55

Yeah, I got some kind of chaped rash between my legs. from fucking being hot and wearing the same clothes and sweating, soaking wet, and then like 120 degrees. And man, my legs were just bright red and rubbing together. My fat legs were rubbing together. And it felt like I had a blowtorch on it, man. It was like one of these things where you just fall over and just cry because it hurts so bad. It was like the worst tap I ever had in my life. Life ain't easy when you

SPEAKER_01: 38:29

fang. That's right. We had to jump in the river. What do you guys remember about that rat show?

SPEAKER_04: 38:40

I

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remember because it was the first time we were there and I liked all the Boston stuff. To me, some of that stuff was... I don't know. Some of the shit that's really tribal is almost just the No, it's tribal. It's weird. To me, some of the SSD stuff or the Iron Cross stuff or some of the stuff, to me, when I hear it, when I heard it, it reminds me of people pounding on logs, dancing around in a circle with spears. And I remember it was so tribal, so guttural. Yeah, it's like the early sham stuff. Exactly. Exactly. Just chanting, just like, and, uh, so we were, we were up there. I remember doing like a, I think we busted into a last right song or a star, uh, slap shot songs. And we were, we were kind of fucking with the Boston people, just like making jokes, you know? We were in Kenmore Square, and we're just wasted. We're drunker than shit, and there's all these Boston people there. They weren't going to slap the beers out of our hands, though.

SPEAKER_04: 39:57

I remember. That was the first time. I mean, I didn't really talk to you long. I think I showed up late or whatever. I mean, you showed up in time to play, but you might have reached us. We were on second. I don't remember. But then I was like, well, they're here, and then the record crew's on or something, blah, blah, blah. And then I went out back and I saw you. I was like, oh, they're here or something. If I'm not mistaken. But I remember I go up to you and you got a quarter beer or 40, whatever the fuck you had. I was like, you know, Jerry, how you doing? And you go to hand me your beer. You're like, you're not straight, are you? And I was like, no, I'll take that. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02: 40:45

Yeah. We, so we, you know, we were fans, we were fans of all the, you know, wherever we go, that tour was, that was what, like I said, we go to New York and we look for these guys. We go to Connecticut and there was like, you know, seizure or whoever. And we go to, you know, Indianapolis, like sloppy seconds. And so we were following all, you know, we're Chicago and it was like Chicago. So we were, you know, naked Reagan and stuff. So we were fans of all this stuff. And we were, to us, it was like an eyeopening, like a fan boy trip, you know, we were having a good time.

SPEAKER_05: 41:14

Yeah,

SPEAKER_01: 41:16

there's a lot of parallels between you two. In reading interviews and listening to you guys, you're legit-ass fans of music. You care about your lyrics. And then also, you guys can be flies in the ointment like that. Jerry, you talk about fucking around in Boston like that. You had all the Ian McKay stuff there in the late 80s. And then Paul, with the just-can't-hate-enough lyrics, taking the Lower East Side jab. How... Has that always been kind of a part of your guys' personality, like, jabbing at people? And how do you, like, reconcile that?

SPEAKER_04: 41:50

If they deserve it, you got to do it. You know, you see something coming. If I see something getting blown out of proportion or, like, blown up, like, you know, somebody blowing smoke up these people's asses, like, oh, you're so great, oh, this is so great. I just think, ah, there's something wrong here. I mean, they're okay. But, you know, they're not fucking, they're not the best things in the slice bread. You got to fucking, you got to take a step back and, you know, calm the fuck down there, people. And, you know, and I was like, you know, I make fun of, I used to make fun of Boston a lot when I first started going. Because I like to keep the New York-Boston rivalry, like the whole sports thing. Even though I'm not the biggest, I mean, I love hockey. I'm missing the playoff game right now, by the matter of fact. But, you know, and I like to bust balls. You know what I mean? It's fun, but it's all in fun. You know, if I really have a problem with somebody, I'll let it be known. But a lot of times I like to do it for fun because it's like, you know, if people are going to take it seriously and get angry, then fuck you. You know what I mean? Take a look. You know what I mean? I'm joking around with you. You know, that's what happened when we got back together and we played up at Boston, whatever it is, 12, 13, whatever the fuck it was, I put it back together. And, uh, And we played up in Boston, packed, 600 people, some shit, whatever the fuck it was. And I'm making fun of Boston. And I'm saying that. And there was video of it that Al from Suburban Voice, he filmed or whatever. He put it up on YouTube. And I'm making fun of Boston. And who takes the biggest offense to that? Al from SHD. He's a grown man. He's a grown man. You're like, oh, somebody said he would have never said that. And I'm like, come on, guy, really? And finally, his wife had to break it down to him. Like, Al, he's joking around. He's just what he does. It's all in fun. And I sent him a thing. I said that we talked funny on Facebook. I said, yeah, guy, I'm just busting balls. I'm having fun. I'm making fun of everybody. I make fun of myself. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, and he calmed down. He's like, yeah, all right, I get it. I get it, you know. Yeah,

SPEAKER_02: 44:04

if I ever see Don Rickles in an alley, I'm going to take him out with a baseball. I'm a fucking guy. How dare he? It's like I say, it's, yeah, it's, you know, at the end of the day, we're all, we're all shitbags.

SPEAKER_04: 44:21

Exactly. You know what I mean? It's like you got to have fun and bust balls. You know, if you got a legitimate bone to pick about something or with somebody, sure. But, you know, you should be able to tell the difference when somebody is vehemently angry about something and perturbed where they want to speak out or they had to speak out about it. And when they just joke around and bust their balls. If you can't tell the difference, then either one, You're a moron or two. They were really good.

SPEAKER_02: 44:58

Well, you know, like, like the Ian McKay thing, we did not, I mean, we didn't go after him. Like we're like, Oh, this guy we're going to, you know, let's, let's burn him. Honestly, that we had this photo, we had that photo and we thought it was, we thought it was punk rock over the top of guy's ass, you know, let's with fly stuck to it. And we needed a name and we started throwing around names for it. And we're like, what about this? What about this? And all the names were, they were funny. They're funny. And somebody just goes, let's call it Ian McKay. And then, I mean, the, that almost kind of made you think it was almost kind of like surreal. It wasn't really like, it wasn't obvious. So it was punk and it was funny. And we called it that. And we had nothing against the guy. I never met him. I didn't know. And, and then it started this, It was a personal thing. And Henry Rollins got all pissed off at us. And everybody's going to piss my ears off and all this shit. And I'm like, it was a fucking joke. It was a joke, you know? Yeah, it was nothing personal, man. Seriously. Yeah, Rollins mad at you. What the hell? I like Miner Throat. It was a good band. Miner Throat was a good band.

SPEAKER_04: 46:05

They were fun. I saw them five, six times. I was lucky enough to see them. They were a good band. They were awesome.

SPEAKER_02: 46:11

Yeah, well, I saw Black Flag with Henry Rollins probably five or six times, and they weren't a fun band. They weren't a fun band.

SPEAKER_04: 46:19

Well, when Ron and Trish joined, I mean, it wasn't fun, but it was like a fucking– when he first joined, I don't regret it. I mean, he was a powerhouse. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 46:33

Well, I'm on the West Coast, so I saw them with their second singer when they had Ron Reyes, and that was pretty punk rock.

SPEAKER_04: 46:40

Yeah, I mean, Dej. Dej is one of my favorite singers with

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them. Yeah,

SPEAKER_04: 46:47

they were great. But when Ron was first joined, he was about us. They were something you'd recognize. And then they got fucking boring.

SPEAKER_02: 46:59

Boring as long as stupid songs, I don't know what the hell they're talking about. Did you ever see the new stuff with a new singer?

SPEAKER_04: 47:08

Oh, well, you see, what's fucked up about that whole thing is, yeah, I see that, and it's whatever, you know, good luck, but I guess, well, because they had Ryash back then for a minute, and supposedly that guy, the skateboarder guy, went up on stage, and He basically told Ryers to take a hike. You're out the band. Yeah, that's what I heard. That's what happened. I guess it was all planned out. Greg wanted this guy to sing or something. And this is what I had heard. And they're on stage playing. Ryers is in the middle of a set. And this guy comes storming on stage. Oh, I'm Mr. Angry Guy. Yeah. Basically gave him the he-ho without being physical. Like, you're done. Get out. You know, like that. That's what I heard anyway. It's fucked up for me. I don't get to see video. I mean, it's one of those things where I hope it's true, but I kind of hope it ain't. Only because I would love to see the video of it. It's like certain stories like that. I just want to be true because it's just so fucking funny.

SPEAKER_02: 48:27

It's like that movie with Marky Wahlberg where he jumps up on with a– Hey, hey. Yeah. You know what would have been funny if you would have done the thing like at the– not that place in Harlem where the guy comes out with a broom and sweeps him off stage.

SPEAKER_04: 48:43

Yeah, that would have been good. That would have been fun. You know, because it's like you watch stories like that. Because all the stories that I've heard about HR, when he started losing his fucking mind, that I heard, that I wish were true. I don't know if they are, but I kind of wish they were. You know? Like, he was playing on stage or whatever, and then when he started losing his fucking mind or whatever the hell his fucking problem was, and he's sitting on the drum rise and he's not doing nothing, he's just boring, basically talking the lyrics or whatever. And supposedly... what I had heard, somebody threw a shoe at him. They hit him in the head with a shoe. It was like Newton's apple, you know, like, like, like a cat and like a Tom and Jerry cartoon, you know? And, but it's like, and he got hit with that and he stormed those stages or something, but which I hope, I mean, I've been looking for it on video. I've never found it. Cause I would, I would kill for that on video, but it's like not even so much the fact that he got hit with the shoe, but it's, The person that threw it, you got to be mad to throw your own shoe at somebody. Yeah. You know? Especially at a show. You ain't got an extra shoe. You're limping home pissed off after that. You know? That motherfucker, you know, with one shoe on your foot and your other foot is soaking wet. You know? You got to be mad.

SPEAKER_02: 50:10

Shoeless and clueless.

SPEAKER_04: 50:11

Exactly. Mad with one shoe. Oh, God. It's always like that. And then there's another one, which I hope is true, where supposedly H.O. tried to board a plane with a parakeet in a cage or some shit, and they wouldn't let him board with it or something like that, with the bird or something. They wouldn't let him on the plane. So he hid the bird under his hat. It's probably not true, but God, I wish you.

SPEAKER_02: 50:57

Yeah, those are. Yeah, the stories are always it's like that. What's that? That game Chinese Telephone or whatever it is where you pass it. Yeah,

SPEAKER_04: 51:04

exactly. Exactly. You know, it's so ridiculous. I just wish they were true because they're so great. They're so great, you know. My boy Roy, who plays drums, the guy from nausea, who plays drums with Ministry and shit like that. I had heard that he, not that I follow, that he was playing with Ozzy for a while. That's just what I had heard. But I guess he didn't. He was. I remember he was. He was. Okay. But he was playing with us. And I had heard he was playing with us for a while. And they did, like, a tour thing or something. And then they came back. And then, like, at the end of the tour, they were at practice. And Ozzy walked into the practice room and said, Who the fuck are you? You're not my drummer. He's like, I'm just going to tour. You're not my drummer. You got to. And threw him out the room. And I... Which I think is beautiful. And I asked Roy about it. He said, no, no, that never happened. I was like, ah,

SPEAKER_02: 52:04

fuck. You know, when we went through a time in the early 2000s where Tom was still alive and we were pretty much just playing for drug money and we went through a bunch of different people and a bunch of people. And I met this guy one night at a show and I was talking to him and I was looking at this guy and I was talking to him and I go, who are you like that? And he goes, I play drums in your band. And I never forget it. I felt so bad for the kid. I was always just like, I mean, we played shows with this guy and I fucking was so out of my head. I forgot.

SPEAKER_04: 52:42

Oh, that's great. Yeah. Uh, no, I just, I just wish that it can say, you know, like you say, you gotta laugh at this shit, you know, because it's ridiculous. And it's a ridiculous, you think about like, you know, thankfully not as bad as we once was and stuff about certain things, but we still lead ridiculous lives. I mean, we're doing a podcast for Christ's sakes. What the fuck is that all about? My bad on that one. It's a joy. Don't get me wrong. I appreciate it, but it's fucking

SPEAKER_01: 53:19

weird. No, I get that. The other thing, just you guys being like real fans of music. Sometimes you, you listen to like old school people talk and it's just like the, you know, the dramatic stories. It's never about like a connection to music. And obviously Jerry, your love of music is documented. I mean, from the, your first 12 inch, right? The record collectors are pretentious assholes. Like, Can you talk a little bit about tracking down records? I heard a story about you guys trying to track down the fixed records by calling everywhere they went across the country.

SPEAKER_02: 53:49

Well, again, that was Tom. Tom was the collector. I like stuff that... I'll listen to stuff I like, and I'm not really into collecting too much. Paul's the collector. He's the deep dive. I mean, he knows... I

SPEAKER_04: 54:06

collect stuff that I listen to, though.

SPEAKER_02: 54:08

Yeah, but you've forgotten more... shit that I've will ever know about. But you know, I, when I have questions about stuff, I write to Paul and ask him and he's just like, Oh, that's yeah. He'll, he'll know about these obscure people. That's that one Canadian guy. I picked up that record and he did that song that like Robert Gordon covered. And I never heard of him before. And I just picked up this record and you're like, Oh yeah, yeah. That's a good record, but try this one. This is even a better one. I was like, fuck. So he right away, you knew what, you know, but yeah, Tom, Tom was like that. Tom would do the, you know, But I'm just a fan of music. I love the music. And if it's good, it's good. And if it's bad, I'll try to like it. But yeah, I'm not a really hardcore collector. I like what I like.

SPEAKER_01: 54:51

Yeah, but it was kind of a symptom of really liking music back then. You kind of had to collect a little bit because everything was a physical piece of music, right? So you actually had to have a collection just by being a fan of music. If you were into stuff that wasn't on the radio.

SPEAKER_02: 55:07

Well, yeah, or try or just roll the dice. There'd be like ads for like the new Germs single, Lexicon Devil, on sale for$2.50. Send$2.50 to Slash Records and you're like, should I send five bucks and maybe get two of them? It might sound like shit and then stuff like that. Or here's something from radio shows. We had a really good radio show in the late 70s here in Portland. This guy that moved to LA and started working with Black Flag, Joe Carducci, and he would play he had his, he would get all the rough trade stuff and all the, you know, that's why I heard like joy division and stuff. But, uh, you hear that kind of shit and like, Oh, swell maps or the fall or whatever. And then you'd like, you know, send away for it and get it. But yeah, I mean, I was, I, I'm more collected into collecting now. I got stuff now. It wasn't, you know, it's, it's hard. It's hard to collect when you're on drugs and you're homeless, you know? I

SPEAKER_04: 56:04

always told people, I was like, you know, why are you, You want to expand your record collection? You know anybody who's a regular? Get your friend hooked on dope.

SPEAKER_02: 56:12

Yeah. There's a couple records I saved. There was a couple records that I never sold when I was doing that stuff because it wasn't worth five bucks to me to have this record. I'm like, it's worth it to me to keep this. It's worth it to me to keep this record.

SPEAKER_04: 56:34

You know, because it's like... I mean, I was thinking about it the other day. So I got the reissues and shit like that coming out, which is neat and all, I guess, whatever. But it's like, you know, back when you're young, there was no internet. There was no any of that crap or Spotify or any of this. There was nothing. You had records or tapes. And like you said, sometimes you sent away the money and you got it and it was either garbage or Or you didn't get nothing. Sometimes you sent the money away, you never saw that freaking$5 again. But then when you got something, it was fucking like you had something. You had it in your fucking hand. A stupid little black record in a fucking Xerox fucking cover, folded over cover, with another folded up Xerox with fucking handwritten or typed lyrics, if you're lucky, folded inside of it. But you had it, you know, like, ah, and you got this. You learned it in your fucking hand and you were happy. And that was something. It had substance. Whether it was green or green, whatever, it sucked. It had substance to you. I got fucking, the last fucking record I got re-released, it comes with six different colored fucking vinyls. You know, it just kind of cheapens it. You know what I mean? It's like, it's neat. I want it to be out there so people who didn't get it the first time can get it. But then it's like, this thing's different color. Well, I know. Look at the cover. Oh, look, we got test pressing. Don't get me wrong. I need new. But still, you just feel cheap after a

SPEAKER_02: 58:14

while. No, I mean... Because we have a place in Portland that presses records, Cascade Records. They have a record pressing plant here. So we can press different colored records and 100 of these and 100 of those. But the thing is, it's me sending them away. So I sit down and I write. People send me back letters and they're like, Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I like supporting my

SPEAKER_04: 58:59

post. It's cool, but sometimes I just feel like, I'll send stuff out here and there. I'm the house husband here right now. I'm not fucking working in the clubs no more. I'm not babysitting drunk white people. I'm taking care of the house. I'm doing yard work. I'm cooking. I'm doing what I can here, you know? My wife, she's the breadwinner, really. You know, she works for the United Nations and whatnot. And I got nothing to complain about. I got to say, I have the best life I've ever had. And I never thought I would ever have this. But it's like, you know, I make my money from playing shows or selling merch here and there. And I have these records. I'll sell them. And, you know, people bid up on it, whatever. It's cool, I guess. But I just, I don't know. I just feel weird about, like, I, I try not to think about things. I, I really do.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:03

It sounds like you had a great opportunity to sit and write some letters, man. Just write, start, you know,

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you wouldn't want to go out. She's trying to write anything these days. I got like, we're working on the new, the new record. Now we're hoping to go into July to record. And I still got to, I mean, don't want to do any seven song thing, but, uh, I still got to do lyrics. I'm fucking shot. I got stuff in my head. There ain't nothing coming out. I'm thinking about making this next record like my Blue Note period and just start doing scat. You know what I mean? I am so ready. You know what I mean? What the hell? Nobody did that before. I'm shot. So when it comes to writing weddings, I just... When I was younger, I was like, I'm writing everybody. I'm doing the whole fucking, the whole McGillic. But now, oh, Jesus fucking Christ. I don't know. I get aggravated, but I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to get aggravated.

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You know what, Paul? Right there, what you just said, that sounds like a great lyric right there. What you just, you know? It reminded me of that, like that Perubu where he's, where he's like, there's glasses breaking. He's like, it's a room. It's a room. I'm in a room. There's a chair. There's a window. There's a chair. There's a room. Yeah, there you go. There you go. That's your scat. You know, it's like, I don't want it. I don't want it. It's like, there you

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go. There you go. You never know. I mean, I got to try something. I got work ahead of me, and I'm fucking pulling out the hoop. I'm going for the short ones here. You know what I mean? I'm pulling the short ones out of here. And I'm, yeah, I grab myself fucking nuts. I put a bang on my head against the fucking wall trying to get this shit out. Then you put out the fucking record and you're proud and you're happy with it and all this shit. And then these jerks are the only ones who hear the first album anyway. It's like, fuck you. You scumbags.

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Somewhere in your head there's a song about podcasts. Oh, no. Leave me

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out of this, dude. Come on. I got to blame somebody. That's right. Rake me over the coals. Both of you dudes have done punk covers of non-punk songs that are like my two favorite of all time. Poison Idea doing Open Your Eyes by Lords of the New Church and then Sheer Terror doing The Boys Don't Cry by The Cure. What is your take on each other's song there? Jerry, you can go first.

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I like Sheer Terror's version of it. I think it's really good. I mean... Yeah, it's weird. I remember when I first heard the thing, it sounded like the bass was doing the guitar leads. I mean, the guitar's got a crazy sound on it. Is it the bass playing that lead,

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Paul? Oh, yeah,

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it is. That's how I remember it. Yeah, I remember doing that. I love it when punk bands do. You know, I think they should change it a little bit. Like when Slapshot did Personal Jesus, I thought it'd be funny if instead of like... Reach out, punch face. You know, I thought that was funny. You know, they just changed it a little bit. And Paul, you know, like Paul's thing where he says, you know, Robert Smith can suck my cock or whatever, you know, it was pretty funny. That was young and

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stupid. I was like 20, 21 maybe when I did that fucking thing. And, you know, I mean, that's what we did for fun, for the hell of it. I do love The Cure. But I was almost there, like, just talking shit. I'm not stupid. Seven Inch, I talk about the squaddies and this, that, that. Nice to have people to say, what are those squaddies right there? Shut the fuck up. Why are you talking about people you, you know? Come on. Get off of it already. You want all the squaddies? Go to Germany. Look at some of the squads over there. They're fucking better than most of the hotels I stay

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in. Oh, yeah. Well, Paul, you and me did a, we covered a White Eye song. That's right. We did. We did. We

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did it in the five. Yeah.

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Talk about the experience of doing that. Whose, whose idea was it and how did it all come together? It was the band from Philly.

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It was, uh, that guy met, I believe. Yeah. He contacted, um, it was, this was before really internet as far as I know. And, uh, contacted me and called me and then he had it with Jerry. I don't know who recorded who first. And, uh, I drove to Pennsylvania with my buddy, and I did it at some studio that they had, and I think Jerry had to do it through the mail.

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Yeah, that's when they had analog. That's when they sent the big reel-to-reels in the mail, and we hooked it up, and it was almost like being there. And I heard it, and I was like, yeah, let's do it. And they mixed it together. It was

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like... Yeah. Yeah, we did record it. I recorded, like, we were both recording. We both sang the whole song. And then they just spliced it together or whatever.

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Did you ever see Why Die back in

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the day? I saw them twice. I saw them at Gildersleeves. I think it was with the Circle Jerks, I think. I saw them then. And I also saw them at the second Sam Haynes show at Rock Hotel. I saw them. They were great. I loved it. Sam Haynes was fucking boring. I mean, yeah. Sam Haynes, we went. Yes, I loved the Misfits. I thought they were fun to go see and sing along. They were a fun band. Sam Haynes, I'll still say to this day, the Sam Haynes records, it just sounds like you listen to a Misfits Records and somebody's got a pillow on top of your speakers.

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So many. I mean, you know, I played in a band with this guy who used to play in the band The Gits. He's from, I think, Sheepshead Bay. He grew up there when he was a kid. And, you know, he's like you, Paul. He'd tell me to go to these shows back in the day, back, you know, in the... late seventies in New York. And he's like, yeah, I'd go over to, uh, my friend gave me this single by this band fallout. And we would go to the guys, Pete steel. I met this guy named Pete who like lived down the street from me. And you hear these kinds of stories like that. And you're like, you know, seeing why die play with, you know, Sam Haynes, second show, you know, shit like that. It's like, yeah, it was a lot of

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good. That's a lot of shit. Like, you know, it was there. Like I saw a lot of shows by accident too. Well, not so much by accident, but like, Well, actually, and I was just like, there used to be, when I was a kid, I was really, you know, I'm a big reggae fan. Like the Groot stuff and some of the early dance hall and whatever. And WBAI out of New York was a station. And they used to have a reggae show on late at night. And the DJ, I can't remember his name. Anyway. And they played a lot of great shit, you know. Like mostly a lot of roots, early dance or shit, whatever. And I would fall asleep listening to it. And they would announce shows of like Gregory Isaacs or whoever's playing at these fucking clubs in the middle of fucking like Jamaica, Queens and stuff like that. And I, like a stupid ass, a fucking 16-year-old fucking white kid... all right i'm going to a show like i'm going to some fucking hardcore show i'll take the train to jamaica i'll just walk up to this club i am the only fucking white person there first of all and they these dreads everybody's staring at me who is this fat bald-headed white kid why is he it's like algebra this ain't no place for you yeah yeah and they they i was no threat to anyone By no means. But they were like, you know, I did that twice. The first time they let me in and they just made me sit by the door. They're like, just sit here. And I saw Gregory Isaacs. The second time, who the fuck was I going to see? I was going to see Mighty Sparrow or somebody. I forget. And he wouldn't let me in. They were like, no. I had to take the train all the way back. When I think about that now, I mean, it was bad enough back in the early 80s, taking the subways and shit like that late at night. It was dangerous, but for the most part, if you didn't act like a jerk, you were relatively okay. Relatively.

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Did you ask for the autograph?

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Huh? Yeah. I had no business. going to Jamaica, Queens in 1984 or 1983. I had no business being there at 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock at night. Not at all. But like I said, I was no threat or anything. You know, so it wasn't like they were going to, they were just like befuddled. I said, what the hell are you doing here? And I was like, well, I heard it on the radio that the show was, thinking I'm going to some punk rock show. Yeah, I was an idiot. You

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know, that reminds me of, it reminds me when we were in New Orleans and Chris, our bass player, you know, Chris Carey passed away. And he, we played in New Orleans and We got done and our flight left like at seven in the morning. We were leaving, but we got to the back to the hotel and he's like, I want to go get some crack. And he's like, yeah. So he's like, give me the money. I made my share of the money from the trip. And he found in New Orleans, it was like the Fifth Ward or something. He went to this place and he came back, found crack. He went to this party in New Orleans and And he was the only white guy there. And he said, he remembers we were like dividing up his stuff. It's like, okay, you got his passport, you got his base, you know, the cabs here, we're getting in the cab. And all of a sudden we look, the sun's coming up and here he comes running down the street, gets in the cab with us and tells us a story about, you know, being at this party. And these people are like, Dude, what the fuck are you doing here? And he's like, who are you? And he's like, I'm Chris Carey from Portland, Oregon. This guy is insane. So he had a great time, you know, smoke crack, danced all night long. He barely made it out of there. And like two weeks later, Hurricane Katrina hit. And he would have been stuck down there with no money, no passport. Wow. nothing yeah he barely got out of there it was funnier and shit talking about that made me think for a second about when uh i i liked reggae too i still do and uh ika mouse came to portland and i went down there with all my ika mouse records to have him sign them early and uh for soundcheck. I watched him do the soundcheck. Then he went next door to the restaurant and was eating and I'm standing there and the guys came up like, you know, what do you do? And I'm like, I'm asking Ecomouse to sign my records. Like, well, he's eating. So I'm sitting there waiting and waiting and waiting. And finally I just go up to him at the table. I'm like, could you sign my records for me? And he's like, he's like, yeah, I'm eating, man. I'm like, they're for my brother. He's got cancer. Yeah. And I told him, and so he's like, he's like, okay. He's like, what's your brother's name? And so I couldn't tell. I, for some reason, I didn't tell him my name, but I, I said, Jason. So he, I got all these Ecomouse records signed to Jason. I didn't think like, you know, tell him Jerry, but it was back to the, we go full, full circle back to the signing, bothering the rock stars to have them sign your records again.

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You know what? Actually a couple of years back, um, What do you call it? At the police, whatever the fuck it was. It was in Columbus City. It's not there no more. This was about 10 years ago or so, whatever the fuck it was. And Tesco V was out playing, and he had a negative approach out with him and stuff. And he was doing the meet men stuff. And they played. And actually, the coolest thing about that is Tesco's band were up there playing. Steve from The Fix, was there in the audience?

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Oh,

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wow. They went up and they played three Fix songs, Steve from The Fix. Oh, wow. That was fucking cool. I never thought I would see that ever. Wow. That's great. That was badass. I was like, oh, and I went watching. I was like, oh, my God. It was amazing. That's cool. But then this is when they put out the Touch and Go book that they compiled, like all the old issues and stuff. Yeah,

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yeah.

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And I bought it. at the show, at Tesco Stanley. And I was like, hey, sure. And he's like, yeah, sure. And it was so loud in the club or whatever, with music or whatever. He's like, what's your name? I was like, Paul. He's like, what? Paul. He's like, yeah. And he signs it. I take it back. It's like, to Walt. So I got a book signed for Walt here in my collection.

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Yeah.

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You can always make up a story to tell people you stole it from a guy named Walt.

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It's from the Disney collection.

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Paul, did you get a chance to listen to the Open Your Eyes cover?

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Yeah, I had that CD actually that you put out. It was on there. It had the Dead Boy songs on it too or something. Yeah. I think it was just a bunch of cover songs.

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Yeah,

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Jeff Dahl. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've heard that song. I'm familiar with it. No, I think it sounds great. I was, because I like this song. But when it first came out, what do you call it? Lords of the New Church. I put like the first seven inch I had. I might have the first album. I don't remember. And I was like, it's okay. I was like, all right, this is all right. I didn't like the stuff he did with the guys from Sham. What was that? The Wanderies or some shit like that. Before that, before he did Lords of the New Church, I think they were called the Wanderers. I didn't really care for that record too much. But the Lords stuff I liked, and I was like, you know, and I think Poison, and I honestly, you know, I mean, Jerry being a buddy and all, you know, and me being a fan, I have yet to hear a bad cover for Poison Idea, honestly. And, I mean, you guys really, you knock him out the park. I mean... open my eyes. That's fucking great. For me, personally, fucking the harder they come. Wow. Wow. That is fucking phenomenal.

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Phenomenal. I mean, Yeah, those guys were good players. I was just along for the ride. No, I first heard

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that. I was like, holy shit. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Yeah. No, I've yet to hear a bad cover from any of the things that you've done. You know, going up like the last, the record you did here, whatever. And everything. And if anything, your voice has gotten better. Your crooning voice is better. Easily improved, you know, so much. Your voice is definitely, definitely gotten better with age, I think.

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Well, you know, we're both, we're both, like I said, we're both music fans and we like, and I love, you know, just playing those songs that get me off, you know, doing like when we played the last shows in New York, we did the Rocky Erickson songs both nights.

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Just

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because that's what I love. That's what I like listening to. It's fun. Put your own personal spin on it and see what happens. It's kind of like Rollins getting up there with Cyndi Lauper doing Rise Above.

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My wife's actually flying to London at the end of the month with her and her best friend, one of her best friends. She's a big Cyndi Lauper fan. And they're going, she's going, they're going over to see Cyndi Lauper at Royal Albert Hall. Oh, wow. At the end of the month, yeah. They're making a trip out of it. She's like, I don't know. I was like, go. You're going to be able to do that again. You'll see that again, you know? Do

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you know what she's doing? Is it like a set of the old, like she's pulling out her old set?

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Honestly, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I imagine she's got to do the, you know, run the gambit and everything. You know, I'd imagine anyone.

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You know what? In a couple of weeks, we're going to go to a casino and see the village people.

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There you go.

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Yeah. I don't even know which ones are still around.

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But yeah, I don't even know who's in the band. I DJed one night at the bar I used to work at. One of the bars I used to work at in the city. High Fly. I used to do brownies. But when it was High Fly, towards the end, I was DJing one night. It was some sort of industry party or some shit like that. I forget exactly what it was. But I was DJing. I was playing on my old soul and... you know, Northern and whatnot, Crossover Soul 45s and stuff. It's dance music. And Randy, the cowboy, he was there. And he came up to me and he came up to me and I was like, you know, he wasn't dressing the cowboy, but you know, it was him. You know, God. And he got the mustache and everything. He came over and he's just like, you are playing fabulous stuff. I was like, thank you so much. You don't know how much of a compliment that is to me right now. Wow, that's cool. Yeah, it was really cool. Yeah. I don't know if he still plays with them or not though, but yeah, he

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was,

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he was cool.

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I knew a guy who was stationed in Los Angeles when the village people did the video for in the Navy when, when they were down there and they like, they did it in front of an aircraft carrier. Yeah. My friend was on that aircraft carrier when he was in the Navy. And he said, so I told him we were going to go see the village people. And he goes, he goes, ask him if they remember playing, filming that video. And it's like in San Diego, we were, They were down there filming it and we were on the ship. And I go, why? And he goes, because me and all my friends, we were like up on the thing. We were screaming down at him. Disco sucks. Disco sucks. And the cowboy turned around and he goes, disco sucks money. That's a pretty, that's a pretty saucy comeback. Oh,

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geez. I'll

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ask him.

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Jerry, is there any first wave hardcore stuff that you think is really underrated that you still like a lot? The first wave of hardcore underrated? Yeah. I've recently been way into that Rebel Truth 7-inch. People don't talk about that one a lot. Are there any hidden gems that you like

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a lot? You know what? There's all sorts of stuff and shit that I don't even know about and I get turned on to because now since everything, they're like leaving no stone unturned. Things are popping up. There's all sorts of stuff coming out that I've never heard of before. I didn't know it was happening at the time. I hear it now. There's all the killed by death stuff. God, this band from Chicago. It was like a suburb of Chicago. I just got their... album it was a band like from the early 80s and uh they had a female singer and it was crazy i was like these people i didn't hear about them then you know i just got this i was listening to i fucking forgot their name damn but um like yeah there's all sorts of stuff like that that comes out and you know what and it sounds some of it doesn't hold up but the energy is still there and it's, you know, if you could bottle something like that, it'd be fucking explosive. It's huge. So there's all sorts of stuff. There's, you know, the stuff, the stuff where people would come and sing it about Reagan or whatever and shit like that. It doesn't hold up because it's just the topic, but just the energy and the teenage angst. That's yeah. There's, there's all sorts of great stuff.

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Yeah. And frigging like, uh, the Neos. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. That'll always be, you know, until, yeah.

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Yeah, it was a great soldier. That's one of my favorite 45s on earth. I love that 45.

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Soldier. Yeah, soldier had to have come through Portland, didn't they, Jerry?

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Yeah. Yeah, we knew those guys. They've... Was it? Yeah, I used to go. That's how we kind of hooked up with the guys who became the accused and the farts was there was like I lived in Portland and there was not a really lot of punk bands, kids my age in Portland. There's a handful of them, about a dozen. But Seattle had a really big scene and Soldier was happening and Black Flag would go up there and play with Soldier. So I'd hitchhike back and forth all the time and go up there and stay in Seattle and see shows. And I went up there one weekend, and Soldier broke up. And they're like, yeah, we got this new band, The Farts. And it was Paul from Soldier, and Blaine was singing. And I was like, well, you guys want to come down and play in Portland? I got a new band going, Poison Idea. And so one of our first shows was with one of their first shows. And so that's kind of how we made the connection. So yeah. Yeah.

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You know, there was a lot of good stuff. I mean, yeah, some of it don't hold up. You know, some of it's like, all right, enough. But there's like a lot of like little hidden gems you find here and there that maybe people didn't like. I was thinking of the Neos. Like some of the English shit, like 80s. In English, like, you know, they're really punk shit or whatever. And then on 79, the Power Pop explosion, it was so much fucking great shit.

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Yeah. I love, you know what? I love the English stuff that the weird, like, when it kind of got crusty and, you know, all the guys were sniffing glue and stuff. Yeah. The shit that sounds like it's just going to fall apart, like, and then the Finnish guys were influenced by that.

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Yeah. The only two Swedish records I have is I have the Bastions of EP. Oh,

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that's great.

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That thing. And I have the Chaos Cagers split. And both of those records are just insane. I don't know what the hell they're yelling about, but it's nuts. It's fucking

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crazy. It's great. I love that stuff because it's just like their name's Chaos and the music sounds like Chaos and it sounds like they're It sounds like you've got, like, you know, four A strings on the bass tuned to different, you know. Exactly. It sounds crazy. It makes you, you know, there's some stuff that's so good that you just laugh. You hear it and you just start laughing because it's so, it just blows you away and it's funny.

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Yeah, yeah. The first disorder, the first disorder

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repeats. Oh, yeah. It sounds like they're just ready to disintegrate. They're falling apart like crazy. It's so overblown. I love that right here. Yeah, it's hilarious. Fuck yeah.

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Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:22

Dude, this has been great. Maybe we can do it again sometime. Anything you guys want to wrap on? Anything else you want to talk about,

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Paul? You know what, Paul? You're going back to Europe, right? Well,

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yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're only going for a couple of days. We're supposed to hopefully go for like a 10-day thing, maybe. We had a show. We're doing the festival in Spain, the Beach Beer Chaos. We're doing the pre-party. It's like on a Wednesday night in Barcelona or whatever. And that's in August. We're going to try to... jump off of that and do a couple, but then they had problems booking shows because of the Olympics and all this other shit or whatever, blah, blah, blah. Long story longer, we're doing that show and we've got one show in Marseille, Marseille, whatever the fuck, how do you fucking pronounce it? Fucking France. So we're doing that. We've got two shows and then we're going to be hanging out because that was the cheapest we can get to fucking flights is we leave the following Monday. So I'll be in, I'll be in Spain by the beach.

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Yeah.

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Man, those guys, Spain, France, all those countries, they love rock and roll over there. Those people, you know.

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Yeah, this is our first time going to Spain. We've never played Spain. We've played everywhere else in Europe, just about, but we've never played Spain. This is the first time. It's going to be a good show. Us and The Chisel, great friends of mine, and they're fun. And then the two Spanish bands, I believe. So we're doing that. And then we're going to be recording. Like I said, we're recording in July. We're shooting for a November release. We'll do like a mini OP, P-Savage songs. That's fucking plenty. I mean, if I had 14 in me, I'd fucking shoot. We'd put them out if they were good, if they were good. But, you know, I ain't going to, you know. Push my luck here. And I was like, here's seven songs. It's enough. You know, you shut up and buy that record. And so we got that. And we also have another thing coming out before then, a limited thing that we're actually going to have for sale in Spain and it'll be available to the rest of people. And let's just say it's a, it's a seven inch EP coming out on a, foreign label and it's three um 80 ish 80s ish uh cover songs let's just say that

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yeah right up our alley right up our alley hey paul have you gotten any any of that uh the newer french oi stuff they're really surging right now

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i like a lot of that i like uh bromior

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yeah

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i like sax reeks reeks uh Oh, God, what the hell are they

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called? I have their fucking records. I can't think of it. The Syndrome 81 band is like one of the best.

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Syndrome 81 I have, and I have, Jesus Christ, I can't think of the names of these fucking bands. I have their albums and everything. The French stuff, I like all the French stuff that's been coming out because it's got like this somber tone to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's got this real somber tone, which I dig. And I like it. It's melodic. And then there's a couple of bands from California I heard. Well, one band from California, Castillo. Yeah. They're good. Mesh out of Mexico I like. Yeah. I like Homefront. Yeah. I think they're good. But it's like a lot of these people nowadays, like these whatever... It's like all these skinhead kids that run around. It's like someone holding a skinhead against you. I remember when I was, you know, I can't be the skinhead. Everybody hated your fucking guts. And that's the way I got into it anyway. It's freaking, now it's almost like cosplay. You know what I mean? But it's like back then, it was like, you know, you're a skinhead. You're like this band or whatever. Now it's like, you're a skinhead. You like the best mode? That's crazy. It's these fucking kids, you know, these people that are fucking trying to say that that second Blitz album is good. No, it ain't. That album sucked. All right? It's fucked then and it sucks now. All right? Try to tell me that it's good. Fuck you. Which

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one was the second one? Second

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Empire Justice.

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You know, the one... Communication. Oh, that one, that one is, it's not like Blitz, but the one they did, the strange one, I got it right here at some place. Those were different. Those were... Like Depeche Mode. They were like Depeche

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Mode. Well, that album is fucking garbage, as I'm concerned. They put out a single then afterwards called Solar, and it's basically, it's got the same chord progression and everything. If you listen to it back to back with Dreaming of Me by Depeche Mode, it's the same fucking progression. Same exact progression.

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Paul, it's worse than that, though, Paul, because people are trying to claim that the third album is good, like the 1991. Oh, God. What, the guy from the attack

SPEAKER_04: 1:29:50

singing or whatever? Yeah. People like to reinvent shit, you know what I mean? Like, oh, no, that was good. No, it wasn't. It was crap then, you know? Don't tell me it's good now, you know? It's like with these assholes, they put together these fucking, these bullshit, like, 80s metal bands. Like, oh, it's a joke. It's a tribute. Yeah, you know what? You play those songs pretty goddamn good for somebody who thinks it's a fucking joke. Bullshit. You like that garbage, all right? Fucking tell me you're doing it for fun. Hey, fuck that. People just... Jerry,

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:28

anything you want to end on?

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:31

No, it's been fun. Let's do it again. I know Paul wants to see the playoffs, and I want to get some food in my yob. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:39

Yeah, Paul, any final thoughts?

SPEAKER_04: 1:30:42

Yeah. It's getting hot out. And there's a lot of bullshit going on in this fucking world right now. Especially in this fucking country and whatnot. And I don't like to tell people what to do and what they should believe in or what they should think. But, you know, sometimes you got to fucking, you know, you got to pick a side or whatever. And it's not even so much that I'm picking a side. I'm just going to call bullshit out as it is. Because there's a lot of fucking people that I'm seeing that I've known for years that all of a sudden are turning into these fucking... Republican kind of supporters or some shit. And I don't know why. Because Trump's a fucking sack of shit. He always fucking was. And we always hated that family in New York. So when I see fucking a working man fucking in support of this shit, it makes me fucking mad. It makes me sick. You support the GOP and the bullshit that's going on, you can suck my dick from here to eternity.

UNKNOWN: 1:31:44

Hey you!

SPEAKER_03: 1:31:45

Don't you wish someone's here with you? Fuck your stupid friends only when the party's done. Gotta breathe your dying breath alone. Down! Here you knock it, here you knock it, but you can't come in.

UNKNOWN: 1:32:13

Keep on knocking, keep on knocking, keep on knocking, but you can't come in.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:15

You're alone, I'm alone, you're alone, you can't come in. You're on the outside, where are you? Psycho on the outside, you can't come in.

UNKNOWN: 1:32:17

Money!